Tuesday, November 24, 2009

More on Warren- What is 'Doctrine'?

This verse in particular makes me think of Rick Warren and his “ministry:”

2 Timothy 4: 1-5 “I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned into fables.”

A pastor is to preach the Word…. And doctrine is important.

This is what Warren Says about doctrine in an article in Preaching Magazine and article titled: Purpose-Driven Preaching: An Interview with Rick Warren http://www.pastors.com/article.asp?ArtID=3419
by Michael Duduit

Warren speaking: “Now, what is the purpose of the Bible? Well, it says in 2 Timothy 3:16-17, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be thoroughly furnished unto every good work."

But people misread that verse most of the time. The purpose of the Bible is not for doctrine, not for reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness. Those are all "for this" in the Greek. ‘For this … for this … for this … in order that.’ The purpose is in order that. So doctrine in itself is not the purpose of the Bible. Reproof in itself is not the purpose – correction or training is not the purpose. The bottom line is to change lives: "That the man of God may be thoroughly furnished unto every good work." So every message must be preaching for life change."

If the bible is not for doctrine, not for all those things that Warren says it is not.. then what is it for?

If Warren is right, why would Paul tell Timothy to watch is life and doctrine closely?

If doctrine is not taught by the scriptures, then where does it come from?

The Pope? Private interpretation of the scriptures? Joseph Smith... and his?
Ellen G. White? Watchtower Society? Where? TBN?

and I want to know exactly which "people misread that verse." I believe it means to infer "Anyone" who doesn’t subscribe to Rick’s interpretation and who might ACTUALLY believe that indeed the Bible is for doctrine and reproof and correction and instruction in righteousness.

I would even say that in a very SUBTIL way Warren mishandles the word of God to say that it does not say what it says. Such tactics are highly reminiscent of exactly what Satan did in the garden with Eve if you ask me.

Sidenote here about that same article…

Warren says, "In my two-day seminar on preaching, I just keep coming back to, ‘Now let's see how Jesus did it. Now, look how Jesus did it.’ You take the greatest sermon in the world — which is the Sermon on the Mount — and He starts off, ‘Let me tell you eight ways to be happy.’ Happy are you if you do this … You are happy if you do this. Then He talks about anger: don't get angry. He talks about divorce: don't divorce. He talks about worry — let me give you four reasons why not to worry: it’s unreasonable; it’s unnatural. He talks about all of these practical things and then He says, ‘Now, if you put this into practice you are a wise man. If you don't, you are a fool and you’re building a house on a rock.(<--does that seem like an odd statement?!? It does if you know what the scriptures say about building your house on a rock.)

Is building your house on a rock a bad thing or a good thing?

Warren refers to building your house on a rock as a negative thing when actually, it is a positive thing in the scripture because the wind and torrents cannot knock down a house that is built upon a rock.

Warren’s deception is subtil, or is it subtle? Either way it is cunning and crafty.

As for doctrine.. listen to Paul and Peter. Watch your life and doctrine closely.

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